The way Georgie describes, he assumed that The Crooked Man meant "kill them". Plus his 'associates' those who work under him attacked Bigby and nearly killed him multiple times and Georgie murdered under The Crooked Man, whether or not The Crooked Man did actually tell Georgie to kill the girls, The Crooked Man is still somewhat responsible for the acts of his employees. Are you kidding me?^^ The Crooked man lied in the whole trial. However, tensions quickly flare up between the two, and he offers to give up Georgie Porgie in exchange for an alliance. He managed to survive a run in with that axe before, after all. It's also pretty rich that Snow blames Bigby for winding up in violent situations - she chastises him for killing one of the Tweedles, so I guess she blanked on them repeatedly shooting Bigby with shotguns? you are going edit lot, then make yourself user and login. He doesn't look suicidal, so he has a plan and definitely a backup ready. Bigby in the comics kills Crane because he betrayed Fabletown and had rape fantasies of Snow. 4 and listen for a bit, you can hear the Crooked Man's voice saying something along the lines of "He'll come around." I dont get it i choose to kill the crooked man and after the game it says to me 10,4 % choose kill him. shot near him (threatened he wont miss next time) Crane was then killed by Bigby and he made it look like an accident. Who knows? Bigby manages to track the Crooked Man down to Sheppard Metalworks, and after he defeats Bloody Mary, he takes the Crooked Man to the Witching Well where he is given a trial. I mean why did u think was the crooked man so affraid when nerissa enters the ring? Because he's a calm, reasonable man who got flabbergasted by her frantic assertiveness. It was for HIS OWN protection. The way people like the Crooked Man work is they make sure they never actually say anything explicitly which would incriminate themselves for something like murder. That doesn't make them any less guilty, it just makes it harder to prove, there is a difference. Plus, Nerissa just flat out lied about him giving the order. It is also worth mentioning that despite the Crooked Man being sentenced, you will be able to decide about his fate. grabbed then dragged bigby during his ''trial'', attempting to murder him. What if he only meant for Georgie to resolve the matter without the intent of violence? are already dead because they didnt go according to what he wants. We are in in the 2010's, when smartphones and social network spread PROOF of things way faster than posses can "repeat lies until they turn true". => and yet mr. leatherwolf89 says he's innocent. He was blackmailing crane for decades, knowing the money that he got came from embezzling from Fabletown, and MISUNDERSTANDING doesn't describe the order of kidnapping Crane from LAW ENFORCERS. Im sry but it seems ur just a fanboy or u luv to discuss things. 4. n, whether or not The Crooked Man did actually tell Georgie to kill the girls, The Crooked Man is still somewhat responsible for the acts of his employees. who is he shooting? One of the main ingame. That was a point I forgot to make. She is . Personally I would say he is guilty. All rights reserved. Maybe that's what he wants to talk to Bigby about at the end of Episode Four. I believe he conspired to commit the murders, possibly without ever explicitly stating it. Technically speaking, if all he told Georgie to do was "take care of it" or "deal with it" (as Georgie suggested), I'm not sure he could be moreheld legally accountable for the murders. Bigby then counters him, and now can make his decision as the Crooked Man arrogantly taunts the population by saying that they will need him, and that the town will suffer without his guidance. Plus his 'associates' those who work under him attacked Bigby and nearly killed him multiple times and Georgie murdered under The Crooked Ma moren, whether or not The Crooked Man did actually tell Georgie to kill the girls, The Crooked Man is still somewhat responsible for the acts of his employees. Edit much you wish, but one little thing. Bigby was still internally debating. They only didn't kill him because they were 'ordered' not to. The only thing more powerful than crushing the spirit of the Big Bad Wolf is to have him do your deeds. => and yet mr. leatherwolf89 says he's innocent. However, this greatly angers Georgie Porgie and his girl, Georgie asks for assistance against the other thugs but they all back down, showing them to be greatly fearful of the Crooked Man. As the Crooked Man's primary enforcer, she acts as his ace in the hole when he wants to guarantee a job gets done or there's a person that needs to die. Plus his 'associates' those who work under him attacked Bigby and nearly killed him multiple times and Georgie murdered under The Crooked Man, whether or not The Crooked Man did actually tell Georgie to kill the girls, The Crooked Man is still somewhat responsible for the acts of his employees. Also the way his 'employees' were so ready to kill Bigby in the alley. So we cant use that against him. I understand this type of adventure game that has to limit the possibilties, and it's expensive and complicated to make branching conversations, but holy crap. The real question is whether or not those were pre amnesty days. 1. Why did the Crooked Man spare Bigby back in Episode Three? Bigby Wolf Tears Crooked Man's Throat (Wolf Among Us | Telltale | Fables Final Ending) 302,459 views Dec 16, 2016 One of the alternative choices: Bigby Wolf tears the Crooked Man's. Terms of Service / Privacy Policy. If Bigby kills the Crooked Man, he can shut up the entire room during the later argument with a growl. You can ask him why would he want a trial if Fables are likely to sentence him to death. You're still the boss, you're still ultimately responsible for any misunderstanding. 2. The Crooked Man requests he is kept alive and brought to trial, which is what Snow White wanted, depending on the players decisions, he may or may not be brought to the Fabletown Government for a trial. In the next episode he'll talk to Bigby and try to sugarcoat what he's been doing and probably does want Bigby on his side as muscle. I admit it would be difficult to prove in a proper trial, but again that doesn't make him innocent. He wanted to crush Bigby, or turn him, and use that as his symbol of strength and power. Considering the end of the chapter, which is also the end of the first season, this choice will have its consequences in later adventures of Bigby Wolf. The Crooked Man attacking Bigby with his cuffs as he attempts to escape his sentencing. held legally accountable for the murders. I would be more open to the "misunderstood my intent" thing if he hadn't ordered Mary kill to Bigby in the same manner. I think that beating was just a warning on what he was dealing with to make Bigby think hard if he really wants to oppose them. the whole town is afraid of him, providing that they are already dead because they didnt go according to what he wants. During his interrogation, Dee claims that Beauty took out a loan from The Crooked Man, which is later corroborated when Bigby asks Beauty about the Tweedles when he is investigating the Open Arms Hotel. Remember the ankle chains covered in blood at the butcher's shop? I'm not sure that this question needed it's own thread or not, but I'm curious. The Crooked Man didn't lie about anything, the other Fables confirmed his points. But not anymore . He later spares Bigby's life in exchange for the mayor. at least we know the crooked man tried to play it well, and he eventually tricked you instead of tricking fabletown!!! I killed the crooked man and the ending brings out my biggest complaint of this game. Part of the Episode 5: \"Cry Wolf\". Put his minions by force there, threatening him, and using shackled slave labor to make his goods, thus making it cheaper than the legit stuff. leatherwolf89 i just realised that the CM manipulated you and now your in his pocket :DDD. He basely beat up almost all of his henchmen with ease, scary. But not anymore. I think you need to give a more direct order to be convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. Pretty brilliant idea. U are lucky that my english isnt well enough and Im to lazy to prove u that the croocked man are guilty XD and his lies are pathetic. Given that this takes place before the comics, I'd say it's very likely that Bigby would kill Dum (he fired at Fabletown residents with a shotgun ffs). weren't guilty of murders either since they simply ordered it. The Crooked Man has slowly built himself into one of the most powerful figures in Fabletown. He explained how he helped them. Before Bigby can announce his decision, the Crooked Man uses his cufflinks to strangle Bigby and tries to throw him down the well. shot near him (threatened he wont miss next time). Georgie The Crooked Man reveals Georgie as Faith and Lily's killer and claims he misunderstood his orders to deal with them, but Georgie asserts the Crooked Man told him to kill the women. [Rip his head off] - You kill the Crooked Man right away. The Crooked Man seems like a smart enough man to not order a murder, especially of 2 fables, when it would obviously lead back to him eventually. He DISTRIBUTED THE STUFF. Crooked Man is the main antagonist of the 2013- 2014 video game The Wolf Among Us Season 1.He's a Fable and a powerful crime lord who's influence over all of Fabletown matches that of its government and holds much of its population within his grasp via his enforcements. the whole town is afraid of him, providing that they more are already dead because they didnt go according to what he wants. FFS, stop being an airhead on "Poor crooked man's innocence", it might stick in the 80's, but today it's known bullshit. but still, he's guilty in many ways. It would have been easier just to kill Bigby since he's been a huge thorn in his side, but he doesn't. Bigby is extremely powerful, and even though he was weakened by the silver bullet at the time, even though Mary had the Woodsman's axe, there's still no guarantee that she could have completely "killed" him. Eventually, all the thugs get in a fight with Bigby and the Crooked Man and Bloody Mary escape to his limo. Oops, I'm scrolling on a tiny phone, didn't realize someone had already posted this. Alternately, after tracking through five episodes of bullshit and subterfuge to get to the bottom of who exactly is corrupting Fabletown, you can drag the Crooked Man before a court and then tear his head off and throw it into the Well in . Tell me why i only see the reason Miss Snow say bring him alive. True he did kill his family HOWEVER since he probably did sign the Fable Town charter he was given Amnesty for any crimes commited in the Homelands. Antagonists Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Does he maybe want Bigby on his side? I mean dont u realized it?^^ U really believed him after the things u see and heard about him? Watch other \"Wolf Among Us\" videos: http://bit.ly/wolfamong 4 and listen for a bit, you can hear the Crooked Man's voice saying something along the lines of "He'll come around.". He had lots of chances to riddle him with silver, he didn't opt for that. fables.wikia.com One of the main ingame decisions that you make. With OP's logic, Hitler, Stalin, etc. I think that him wanting Bigby on his side is a very good guess. He is the puppeteer responsible for ordering the murders of Faith and Lily. > Episode 3 "A Crooked Mile": He ordered a hit on the game's protagonistBigby Wolfin an attempted to kidnap the towns mayor,Ichabod Crane. He also has a large stake in the Fabletown government, revealed when Crane was embezzling to pay him off. beauty and the beast reported to bigby for help If it wasn't revealed, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The people acted irrationally and that's not the Fabletown Snow and Bigby were trying to promote. Bigby throws Crooked Man into Witching Well. 2019 Telltale, Incorporated. beauty and the beast reported to bigby for help The whole point of Nerissa/Faith's scheme was to have the Crooked Man outed. The money he loaned from the pawn shop came from illegal ways, he PLANNED AND EXECUTED. His plan would be to make Fabletown afraid of the Wolf. probably there ain't a strong proof, but we know what's up. I think you need to give a more direct order to be convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. Crooked Man didn't want Bigby dead. kidnapped crane Unsurprisingly, alongside Bluebeard, he is one of the most hated characters in the game, both by fans and even the other characters in-game. \"Wolf Among Us\" Telltale PC Game. Plus, Nerissa just flat out lied about him giving the order. interfered with an official murder investigation The CM saw he wasn't going to be able to get Bigby to cooperate, so he told his goons to kill him. His entire line of defense was "I'm helping you, they're not". I'd like to believe that Bigby did the right thing by bringing him down. prink34320. It was precisely the point. Many of the characters complaints are very inconsistent with their attitude earlier in the game. He also uses the Jersey Devil as muscle, with his pawn shop The Lucky Pawn being a front for his loansharking activities. The Crooked Man is a Fable and the main antagonist of The Wolf Among Us. Other than that, enjoy Villains Wiki READ MORE Villains Wiki Explore Main. You know. What more could he want. That was a point I forgot to make. probably there ain't a strong proof, but we know what's up. Maybe the Crooked Man just felt like rather than trying to kill Bigby, which could prove to be futile, he'd just try to sway him instead. => and yet mr. leatherwolf89 says he's innocent. Are you kidding me?^^ The Crooked man lied in the whole trial. Who is the killer of faith wolf among us? There's no need to be mad at me. probably there ain't a strong proof, but we know what's up. Like Bluebeard killing his wives, people aren't allowed to talk about it. They didn't just somehow mutually decided they were all going to hop out of their chairs and start attacking Bigby. You don't have anything to do? he puts ppl into debt (probably helped, but eventually he would kill the peeps who couldnt afford to pay back). Where it's Bigby trying to redeem himself but occasionally falls back into his Wolf tendencies. Seriusly only 10,4? fables.wikia.com. There was no excuse for them to let someone take advantage of them when they all had the power to prevent their problems with their centuries worth of wisdom and knowledge. Technically speaking, if all he told Georgie to do was "take care of it" or "deal with it" (as Georgie suggested), I'm not sure he could be held legally accountable for the murders. Someone sure as heck was being held as a slave. His reply would be that it's his problem or something. 3. Im sry but it seems ur just a fanboy or u luv to discuss things. A tense standoff occurs between the two due to him holding a gun fully loaded with silver bullets (Which would kill Bigby instantly). Slowing the video down shows that he aimed and shot at someone behind Bigby. If he simply had Bigby killed in the alleyway, no one would have been left to oppose him. Crooked Manis the main antagonist of the 2013- 2014 video gameThe Wolf Among Us Season 1.He's a Fable and a powerful crime lord who's influence over all of Fabletown matches that of its government and holds much of its population within his grasp via his enforcements. The Crooked Man remains polite and calm while being confronted by Bigby, but escapes with Bloody Mary when things turn hostile. The game goes back and forth because at the time it happens, "the truth" was measured by how many people was telling the same story, which usually fell on the side of what the wealthiest or most popular decided, since there was a legion trying to fall on their favors. Sorry regardless of what he represents, you have the burden of proof and rarely is the testimony of one person enough to convict this man of some of the crimes he was accused. pointed a gun at bigby. Maybe the murders weren't directly his fault and Georgie really DID misinterpret one of his instructions? kidnapped crane Im sry but it seems ur just a fanboy or u luv to discuss things. Even if he didn't kill those girls, he was just plain bad for Fabletown. You know. Plus, Nerissa just flat out lied about him giving the order. I mean why did u think was the crooked man so affraid when nerissa enters the ring? If he was innocent, then why the hell did he shut up when Nerissa spoke? Or , long shot, Vivian. The characte ris cool yes. georgie's reactions in e.5 were completely full of srsness He was only reacting like any person would react after they're falsely accused and sentenced. Of course the plan doesn't work if CM is actually dead so my shot is CM you kill/imprison is not the real CM. There is no way to pledge innocence in blackmail, and slave labor, He wasn't innocent, but lets play he was. Like he said, his associates tried to kill him. Episode 5 "Cry Wolf" The episode begins within his lair, with him being warm and welcoming towards the sheriff. Enslaved and kept who in debt? Episode 4: "In Sheep's Clothing" He is mentioned many times throughout the episode by his thugs and finally makes his first appearance at the end of the episode, in his lair with all of his thugs. I would say if you believe he's innocent then you've been duped by him just like everyone else in fabletown. He still killed his family he's still a murderer. As for Bigby's story, I go for the half way Bad Wolf. Villains who aren't revealed to be bad at first. What does that say about the relationships and general practices of that group? Also, if you wait by the door at the end of Ep. he puts ppl into debt (probably helped, but eventually he would kill the peeps who couldnt afford to pay back). Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! No actual slave from the butcher shop was revealed, though. interfered with an official murder investigation grabbed then dragged bigby during his ''trial'', attempting to murder him. The Crooked Man will be sentenced for ordering the killing of two women. July 2014. Also, Nerissa later admits that her confession was a complete lie. What if he only meant for G moreeorgie to resolve the matter without the intent of violence? Episode 3: A Crooked Mile Yes. I'd want Bigby on my side. In his rise, The Crooked Man has ensnared many Fables in his criminal web, providing them with what they need, but always at a high cost. > this site. The Crooked Man seems like a smart enough man to not order a murder, especially of 2 fables, when it would obviously lead back to him eventually. The Crooked Man hearing from his right-hand woman Bloody Mary, that she will finish Bigby off quickly so that he wouldn't get near him. eorgie to resolve the matter without the intent of violence? WHY!? I mean why did u think was the crooked man so affraid when nerissa enters the ring? The Crooked Man seems like a smart enough man to not order a murder, especially of 2 fables, when it would obviously lead back to him eventually. Part of the Episode 5: \"Cry Wolf\". Terms of Service / Privacy Policy. EDIT: As many people pointed out, he probably fired a . They could have just talked to Bigby about it before shit got worse "Victim blaming" means nothing. And conspiracy to murder plus joint enterprise. Bloody Mary is a sadistic murderer who longs to find ways to continue murdering as she pleases. The way Georgie describes, he assumed that The Crooked Man meant "kill them". He is cunning, persuasive, and ruthless \"Wolf Among Us\" Telltale PC Game. They tried to kill him because the CM heavily implied that they should. In Scotland, we have 3 verdicts: Guilty, Not Guilty and Not Proven. HOWEVER since he has showed willingness to kill before we can use it against him ;D. Should Snow White answer for the actions of Bigby? The Crooked Man Tells Bigby Who Killed The prostitutes GhostTheBerserker 29 subscribers Subscribe Like Share No views 55 seconds ago .more .more The Wolf Among Us 2013 Browse game. Watch other \"Wolf Among Us\" videos: http://bit.ly/wolfamong beauty and the beast reported to bigby for help. Killing Bigby would only make a martyr of him and people could use him as a symbol of hope. The first mention of the Crooked Man comes if Bigby decides to capture Tweedledee in the Trip Trap. He is directly responsible for the series of events that form the central conflict of the game. The rest bring him alive. I just wish the game had given you the option of putting CM in holding while you gather more evidence, especially since the girls were now free to speak and CM's minions scattered. georgie's reactions in e.5 were completely full of srsness The Crooked Man meets Bigby. Snow's indifference/work overload + overly brutal sheriff? The question is. drops BYE! In the trailer there is a scene where Bigby confronts the Crooked Man and he shoots. I think you need to give a more direct order to be convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. If you rip his head off then he achieves his purpose. The idea of being trapped in an animal's body and surrounded by mundane animals that don't have the intelligence and power that you have sounds like a fate worse than death or jail. It would've been interesting if he pulled Bigby down with him and prompted a quick time event to pull himself up. He did try to kill Bigby, he let everybody attack him. Maybe the Crooked Man just felt like rather than trying to kill Bigby, which could prove to be futile, he'd just try to sway him instead. Also pretty cool of her to send Bigby in to take on the crooked man by himself, despite seeing him get an absolute thrashing from Bloody Mary. I mean dont u realized it?^^ U really believed him after the things u see and more heard about him? If you do this, changing your mind from the last choice, all of the people . heard about him? He's smart enough to know how his lackey Georgie would have interpreted his words. As for the Crooked Man's choice, it's the same as Dum really. Also, if you wait by the door at the end of Ep. We only have the victims' word for what The Crooked Man has done to them, but that is good enough in my opinion. Reminded me of Henry II's "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?!". georgie's reactions in e.5 were completely full of srsness, interfered with an official murder investigation. Episode 3 "A Crooked Mile" : He ordered a hit on the game's protagonist Bigby Wolf in an attempted to kidnap the towns mayor . 2019 Telltale, Incorporated. Many of which were looking for blood, then in the . We all know that he was guilty, even you know it. As much as I don't want it to be true, I think it's Nerissa. Crooked Man pointing a silver-laden revolver at Bigby, as he explains his plan on Fabletown. He lives and meets with his envoys in the Crooked Lair. The Crooked Man hands Georgie over to Bigby, infuriating Georgie. He is encountered again at a large foundry after Bigby kills Bloody Mary. The Crooked Man is not guilty of the murders, that's the whole point of this thread. I must admit that I still believe he was indeed guilty, but I can see why you'd think he wasn't. But I don't buy that Crooky was oblivious to the impact of his words. He was still an asshole, good enough reason for me to kill him. Bloody Mary is the main Secondary antagonists in Telltale's The Wolf among us, serving as the major antagonists in Episodes 3 and 5. But that's all irrelevant because Nerissa's confession was later revealed to be a complete lie. Which is why I think he's just as guilty as the Crooked Man is, if not moreso. He is directly responsible for the series of events that form the central conflict of the game. The impact of killing him and realising it might have been for nothing is so much greater when the final twist happens. Depending on how you play him, he uses excessive force on Gren, beats Dee/Woody during an interrogation, kills Dum. I have no problem clarifying things. I think he was guilty because of the way Georgie reacted when he was sold out. He actually hadn't been sentenced yet. grabbed then dragged bigby during his ''trial'', attempting to murder him. He directly employs the Tweedles and Bloody Mary as his muscle, and has a controlling interest in the Pudding \u0026 Pie, since he and his henchmen show up after Georgie is shown to be making a phone call about a \"problem\" as Snow and Bigby apprehend Ichabod Crane. In the game, players control Bigby Wolf, the sheriff of Fabletown - a clandestine community within 1980s New York City consisting of various fantastical characters from fairy tales and folklore - and must investigate a series of mysterious murders; the first ones to occur in Fabletown in a long time. Crooked Man is probably not as innocent as he claims but like a lot of businesses, the people below you have agency to work in ways for your interest (not every procedure and action is explicitly stated). he puts ppl into debt (probably helped, but eventually he would kill the peeps who couldnt afford to pay back). Crane was protected with OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVES, who the hell he is to say it was for CRANE's protection that he took him from the LAW? Imagine being a magical being with the intelligence of a human, but having to trot next to mindless pigs for the rest of your life. His operation started with a crooked sixpence and a crooked house - two things he cared about more than his wife or children, whom he killed rather than let them stand in his way. Could Georgie have deal with the matter in another way? Like how he literally kept them in chains in the back of the butcher shop? Stop wasting your time getting in stupid arguments. He wasn't afraid of Nerissa, he was flabbergasted. All rights reserved. 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